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Winter 2008 Season
Final Team Standings
are posted
Final Individual Standings are finally posted
Playoff Schedule for Week #3 is posted
Posted 5/3/08 @ 9:00 PM
Again I want to remind everyone of the Double Elimination
Tournament on May 18th at The Pool House at 2:00 PM. If
you participated in the league this past season, you are
eligible to play in the tournament. Anyone can win. All
the trophies/plaques for this season (and prior seasons)
will be there.
Final individual standings are posted. Sorry for the delay
but I needed to get all the sheets before posting them and
as it was very close for the top overall shooter this
season. Congratulations to Chuck Guaritano from Pool House
#3 who finished with the highest average in the league.
Congratulations also to Frank Freeman from the Railroad
with the most runouts (11). There was a huge
disparity in the number of runouts/8-on-breaks between the
divisions (Frank was the one that pointed it out to me).
Divisions #2 thru #6 had a total of 56 runouts/8-on-breaks.
Division #1 had 96. By the way, the record for runouts/8-on-breaks
was set close to 20 years ago by Tom McCloud who had 18 of
them in one season.
On another note.....since the Summer season doesn't start
until the 28th of May, only the final two teams will have
to play on a Sunday. The final match will take place at
The Pool House (unless one of the Pool House teams is in
the finals) on Sunday May 25th at 6:00 PM.
Posted 5/1/08 @ 12:48 PM
Week #1 of the playoffs went off without a hitch.
Purposely didn't make the courtesy calls but it looks like
all of you found out where you were playing by the
schedule on this website. It's now just after midnight on
match night and the playoff schedule for week #2 is
already posted.
Posted 4/19/08
I don't know why but some of you are getting a little lax
in calling in the scores?? Playoffs start on Wed April
30th. The top 5 teams in each division (plus 2 wild cards)
make the playoffs. Any scores not called in by the time I
make up the playoff schedule will result in 0 points for
both teams. Any postponed games that are not made up will
result in a forfeit for the team that postponed.
Summer Season?? Haven't made a decision on a start date
yet. It will be a 10 week season though.
Double Elimination Tournament?? 5/18 at The Pool House
(2:00 PM). Free practice that day from 1:00 PM until the
start of the tournament.
Posted 4/14/08
Note the name change to the league. Originally (20 + years
ago) the league started out as the "Nassau Bar Pool
League". About 8 years after that, it was
changed to the "Long Island Pool League". When
Carlos took it over (about 6 years ago) , he changed it
back to the "Nassau Bar Pool League". In an
effort to expand the league (beyond Nassau County) and
because I like the way it sounds, the league name is being
changed again to the "Long Island Pool League".
Posted 4/1/08
Rule clarification - The rules state that "one
player may play twice in only one of the singles
sets". That rule is in there because you need to have
a minimum of 4 players to play the match and if you have
only 3 players, you'll end up forfeiting 3 of the singles
games (and one of the doubles matches). Now as sometimes
happens, a team will let it's opponent play with only 3
players or they'll make a mistake and schedule someone to
play more than 4 times. In the absence of a protest, the
matches will stand as played. But what happens to the
singles games? It's not fair to allow someone to play more
than 4 singles games while everyone else is limited to 4.
Here's how it works. When a player plays more than 4 games
in a match, the first 4 that he/she was
"eligible" to play are counted towards that
players individual stats and the remainder are counted as
"ineligible" (but counted towards the overall
team score). Example: Gary plays 2 games in the 1st set, 2
in the 2nd set and 2 in the 3rd set. Both games in the
first set are counted towards his individual stats. Since
he was only eligible to play one game in each of the last
two sets, only the 1st game of each of those sets is
counted towards his individual stats. It does not matter
which are wins or losses. When he played that 1st game in
the 2nd set, he was eligible to play and it counts for
him. He wasn't supposed to play that 2nd game in the 2nd
set so the game does not count towards his individual
stats. The same goes for the 3rd set.
In doing the individuals this week, I just came across two
sheets where a player played more than 4 singles games
(yes, one of them was named Gary). The method described
above is how it's been done for the last 20 years in this
league and how it will continue to be done.
Posted 2/21/08
All the scores for week #5 have been called-in and posted
here. Week #4 Individual stats have been updated (added a
few missing sheets) and everything is printed and ready to
be mailed to the bars so you'll have it in time for your
next match. This is the way it's supposed to work. I'm
still missing a few of the scoresheets for weeks #1 thru
4. Take a look at the team schedule and note the color
codes. If your match isn't highlighted with a color it
means that I don't have that scoresheet. If you have it
(or a copy) mail it in as soon as possible. Remember that
in order to be eligible for any individual awards, all
your scoresheets must be submitted (I can't let anyone
leave out that one week that you may have gone 0 for 4 for
the night). You can expect the individuals for week #5 to
be posted no later than this Tue (if I have your
scoresheet).
A little note on what that word "preliminary"
means in reference to the Team Standings. What it means is
that the standings that are posted are based solely on the
scores that were called-in. People have been known to make
mistakes when calling in the scores. If you see a score
that's wrong, don't be overly concerned about it. Yes, you
can call in the correction but when I do the individual
stats from the actual scoresheets, the program that I
created will match the individuals to the scores that were
called- in. The scoresheet itself is the determining
factor as to what the correct score is and the Team
Standings will be corrected to match what's on the
scoresheets.
By the way...............I still have no idea who
"Danny" is????
Posted 2/19/08
Getting back to my 2/13 post about not being a mind
reader......Courthouse {1}...for weeks #1 thru #3 they had
a "Dan" and a "Danny" playing each
week. No names or signatures on the back of the sheet. I
could have gone through the season without a problem if
they had kept it like that.........but...........in Week
#4 on the front of the sheet they listed a "Dan
M." & a "Dan S." and they signed the
back of the sheet also. So who the hell is is
"Danny"?!?!?!?! I have NFI (no idea). Soooooo....until
someone on that team takes the time to give me a detailed
explanation of who was who and when who played, anyone on
that team with the name of Dan (or Danny) just won't be
included in the individual stats.
PRINT YOUR NAME LEGIBLY ON THE BACK OF THE SHEET. IF THERE
ARE TWO PLAYERS WITH THE SAME FIRST NAME ON YOUR TEAM,
ALWAYS INCLUDE THEIR INITIALS ON THE FRONT OF THE SHEET.
Posted 2/14/08
All the scores are in by Thu night and I'm able to post
your standings already (and start printing them out for
mailing in time for next weeks match). This is the way
it's supposed to be. A win-win for all.
Some other news.....I going through the individuals, I
think we broke a record in Week #1. In the J. Farrell's
{1} vs Railroad match there were a total of 8
runout/eight-on-break games between the two teams.
Surprisingly, Railroad had 5 of them and still lost the
match by one point to J. Farrell's.
Posted 2/13/08
Was able to get weeks #1 & #2 individuals posted.
Should have week #3 posted later tonight. Please note that
somewhere on the scoresheet (preferably the back) you
should print your name legibly so that I know who the heck
you are. Also note that I'm not a mind reader. I can
already see some problems that'll make it difficult to
accurately post your standings. There are a few teams out
there with duplicate names. For example there's a team out
there with a Mike H. and a Mike K. Now I know from
experience that I'll get a scoresheet from them where one
of the Mike's doesn't show and the scoresheet will only
show "Mike" with nothing on the back to tell me
which Mike it is. I have another team with a Dan & a
Danny. I know the same thing is going to happen with that
team too. Please always sign in on the back of the
scoresheet and if you have two (or more) people with the
same first names, always put their initials next to their
name on the face of the scoresheet (even if only one plays
that night). Thank you.
Another important note........
I can't enter your individual standings if I don't have
your scoresheets. Missing scoresheets are the main reason
that people get dropped from the individual standings
sheets because I don't show them as having the minimum
number of games played. Before you call the league to ask
why you're not included in the individual standings,
please check to make sure that I have your scoresheets for
all the weeks that you played. There is a real easy way to
do this. If you check the "Weekly Scores" on the
website, there's a color code that shows the status of the
scoresheets. If your score is highlighted in green, it
means that I do have the scoresheet for that match and it
was entered into the individual standings. If the score is
not highlighted with a color then I do NOT have the
scoresheet for that match.
Posted 2/7/08
Well it seems like a lot of people read the rule about
calling in the scores within 24 hours. I actually had all
of them by 2:00 PM today. What that means is that you can
now see the scores here by Thursday evening and I can
actually get the sheets printed and ready to be mailed so
that you'll have them at the bar by this Wed. So all is
good with that, so far.
I should have the individual standing (including week #3)
on the web site by this Tuesday.
I'm not getting many complaints about chipping-in $12.00
per team so that seems to be working well too. Funny but
the teams that are known to spend a lot of money at the
bar on match night are calling me to ask who they should
give it to and the teams that typically spend less than
$20/team on match night are complaining about it. Go
figure?!?!?
Let me tell you what I'm finding out from all
this.......contrary to what some teams may think.....pool
night is not a "free meal". The bars are in this
to make money. I'd like to make some too but unless I get
more teams, I'm just keeping my head above water right
now. The teams that typically spend a lot of money when
they play pool on Wed night and are generous with their
tips aren't complaining at all. Those that are looking for
that "free meal" and some free pool games
without spending more than $5.00 (including their tip) are
the ones that are complaining the most. Why doesn't that
surprise me? What's the deal here???? Does anyone really
think that a bar should pay me $23, pay $27 to $36 for the
table and then buy your team $20 worth of pizza so that
you can walk in with your soda, stiff the barmaid, eat 2
or 3 slices of pizza and play pool for
free????? Are you that cheap that $3.00 (or less)
per week is going to impact your budget that much that you
can't afford it?!?!?!?
Let me be very blunt about this. Those same teams that are
complaining about having to chip-in the $12.00 / team are
the reason that we had to institute a rule like this in
the first place.
If you do have a complaint about having to chip-in a few
bucks every week to play in the league, don't waste your
time complaining to the bar owner, barmaid, your team
players or the other team. Call me. Complain all you want.
I'll be happy to listen to you and pacify you while
thinking to myself what a cheap bastard you really are.
People write me with questions from time to time and
instead of answering them personally, I'm going to start
posting some of the better questions (and answers) here.
- How many teams in each division go to the playoffs?
(I was thinking it would be the top 3 or 4 teams in
each division) That depends on how many teams
are in the league, whether it's the summer league,
whether or not there's a Gold/Silver conference, etc.
To answer your specific question....32 teams this
season. Top 5 in each division plus 2 wild cards
(teams in good standing (no forfeits) with the next
highest point totals).
- What makes an individual player eligible for the MVP
recognition at the end of the season? (does their team
have to go to the playoffs?) Every team
gets at least one MVP plaque. The idea behind this is
that each team, regardless of where they finish the
season has some kind of award. It is usually the
person on your team that has the highest average on
your team and has played the minimum number of games
BUT......the team captain has the option of awarding
that plaque to anyone that he/she feels should be the
MVP for their team regardless of their average or the
number of games played as long as they let me know
before the end of the season. It doesn't even have to
be a member of your team (bar ownere, a fan that
cheers your team on every week, etc.).
- Does every team that goes to the playoffs get a
recognition plaque for their home bar? (or is it only
the top 3 teams in the playoffs?) The
top 3 teams in each division get plaques for their
placement in their division.
- What are the other recognition plaques that are
given out by the league? There are
plaques for 1st, 2nd & 3rd place players in each
division based on the individual standings. There's
also a plaque for the most runouts/eight-ball-on-breaks
in the league. There's a league leather jacket for the
top individual player in the league. There's also a
Double Elimination tournament at the end of the season
where you can win league jackets.
Fall 2007
Season
Final Standings are posted via the link on the
left under "Past Seasons"
Congratulations to Pool House {CC} for finishing in 1st
place and Papa Doc's {A} for finishing in 2nd place.
Note that these 2 teams have changed sponsorship for the
Winter 2008 Season. Pool House {CC} is now playing out of
Bongo's and Papa Doc's {A} is now playing as Pool House {NTZ}.
Double Elimination Tournament
The Double Elimination Tournament was be held at The Pool
House on Sunday January 13 at 2:00 PM.
Congratulations to the winner,
Sal Garcia from Pool House {CC}. Finishing in 2nd place
was Gary (G-Money) from Papa Doc's {B} and in 3rd place
was Jim Rago from Point Break
Changes
in the new season - please note well
There are going to be some major changes
in the upcoming season. First of all, Richie (owner of the
Pool House) is the new owner of the Nassau Bar Pool
League. Laura and I will continue to support the league
under his direction and hopefully be able to expand and
improve it.
After much discussion with Richie, the following changes
are being made:
In the interest of recruiting
new teams, each
"team" will be responsible for chipping-in
$12.00 each week to the bar that they're playing at to
help pay the expense of the table. We're sure that many of
you will balk at having to pay to play pool but it's the
only way that we can have any chance of expanding the
league. While the league fees haven't really gone up in
the past few years, other expenses have gone up.
Basically, it works out to about $23 per home game for
league fees. Add to that about $20 for a couple of pizzas
(or whatever other food the bar provides). Add on another
$27 to $36 for the cost of the pool table and it comes to
about $75 on average that the bar has to pay out for your
team each home game that you play. I can tell you from
experience that it's very difficult to talk any bar owner
into the concept of shelling out $75 to have 10 people in
his/her bar on a Wed night (some of whom might not spend a
dime). Bottom line is that if we can advertise this league
for $50 or less per night, we'll have a better chance of
recruiting new teams (and keeping the ones that are
already in the league). More teams, less travel, ability
to afford a gold conference, etc.
Now to put this into perspective, on a team with only 4
players, each player would have to chip-in $3.00 (to the
bar, not the league) every time they play. $3.00 per week
for 14 weeks works out to $42.00 for the entire season.
Chump change, really. And if you have more than 4 players on your
team, it works out to even less.
Other Rule Changes:
The rule about losing a point for not calling-in the
scores will take effect this season.
If you forfeit your last away game of the season, you will
be ineligible for the playoffs or any awards.
"The league reserves the right to change/create any
rule at any time during the season at our own discretion
or whenever it seems appropriate or just because we feel
like it." (we're going to call it the
"Harry" rule)
Posted 10/16/07
Cue Sticks & Supplies - I keep forgetting to post a
link to this site. One of the guys that used to play in
the league (Teddy from what used to be Theo's and most
recently O'Donoghue's) runs an e-Bay site where he sells
Cue's, Cases and Accessories. He's local to our area
(Freeport, I think) and he'll work with you if you mention
that you learned of his store here on the web site. Link
posted temporarily below and permanently on the right
sidebar.
http://stores.ebay.com/BEST-PRICE-POOL-CUE-STICKS-N-CASES
Posted 9/29/07
Still not getting all the scores called in. The new rule
will be made up this week, Mailed out on Week #4 and go
into effect on Week #5.
How it might read :
The winning team is responsible for calling in the scores
by 6:00 PM on the Thursday following the match. If the
scores are not called in by the winning team within the
prescribed time, they will forfeit one point from their
total score. If the losing team called in the score within
the prescribed time (even though it is not their duty to
do so) and the winning team failed to call in the score,
the losing team will be awarded that point. For the first
infraction of this rule, I will waive it if you call to
cry and whine that you didn't know about it. After the
first infraction, crying and whining will get you
nowhere..
Posted 9/22/07
Well that last post did prompt a few phone calls (and some
support on imposing a penalty for not calling-in scores).
Obviously, the people that access this website are more
involved with what's going on in the league. Those that
only get what the bar disseminates of the stuff that's
mailed to the bar are pretty much left in the dark. That's
unfortunate but there's not a lot that I can do about it.
I run into people every season (that have been playing in
the league for years) that don't know there is a web site.
Do me a favor (for those of you that can). Print out a
copy of the latest standings and individual stats before
you go to your match on Wednesday and leave the copies in
plain sight of the other team. If asked where you got
them, just let them know.
Posted 9/20/07
This whole concept of calling in scores must be too
difficult for some people to fathom. I'm still missing
scores from week #1 (meaning that they didn't mail the
scoresheets in either). I hate having to add more rules
(especially mid-season) but the only way to get the
"point" across is to have the winning team
forfeit a point for not calling in their scores. Be on the
lookout for the wording of the new rule here and in the
envelopes within the next couple of weeks.
Posted 9/15/07
Registrations again this season (as are all seasons) was a
nightmare. Before going on, my thanks to the few of you
that did register on time. For the rest, there will be
some changes next season. This "I thought I had 2
teams but I only have one"; "I know it's Monday
and we're starting on Wed but I forgot to register";
"You know I always have a team, why didn't you just
put me in?", etc., etc. has got to (and will) stop.
You wonder why the schedules aren't out until the last
minute? It's because of things like the above. Once I have
a solid number of teams (divisible by 8) it literally
takes me about an hour to get the schedules calculated. If
everyone were to actually register (and register the
number of teams that they really do have) by the
registration deadline, I'd have the entire season schedule
done, posted on-line and mailed a week before the season
started. The problem (well at least one of them) with this
league is that we've gotten too "friendly" with
the registration process. People assume that I'll know
that they have a team (or maybe even two), Had I done that
this season, I'd have scheduled Bongos, R.C. Dugans &
Rigby's this season and yet none of them have a team. Of
course if I neglected to put them in and they did indeed
have a team, I'd be the bad guy for leaving them
out.
For the record....the Winter 2008 Season will start
on January 16th. If you're not registered (and paid in
full) by January 9th, you won't get in. Period!!!
I've already posted the Winter 2008 Registration Forms via
a link on the left so there isn't any excuse to not get it
and the fees in on time for next season.
Soapbox time.....I did enjoy running this league years ago
and when I had 128 teams, I did make some extra money on
it. With only 48 teams in the league and with the expenses
of awards, jackets, tournaments, printing costs, postage,
etc., I'll be lucky if I make a grand this season (which
will help offset losing a few hundred on this last summer
season). The money that I do make on the league is
definitely not worth the aggravation (especially the
registration nightmare) to make it worth my while. Add to
that that I still have the task of going out and
collecting registration fees from a lot of the bars that
haven't paid yet (and some of them will require a second
(and possibly a third) visit).
Posted - 9/11/07
Note that only the first few weeks of the full league
schedule that was posted here last night (9/10/07) were
correct. The last 2/3rds of the schedule were incorrect. If you did happen to print it, please discard it.
As of 9:00 this evening, I was able to fill the last
division so all of the schedules in Division #6 have been
changed. As of this evening, I believe that between Laura
and myself, we've contacted all of the teams via phone,
voicemail and/or e-mail to let everyone know where they
are playing
NEW!!! There is a link to the left that will give
you access to all of the individual schedules. Just click
the link, select the team you want and print out the
schedule(s) that you need.
Not new but I'm not sure that everyone knows it's there....There's
a link to the left named "Address List". On that
web page is a list of all the bars participating in the
league. If you click on the bar name, you'll be taken to a
Google map that will show you exactly where the selected
bar is. From within that map you can click the "Get
directions To Here", put in whatever address you're
at and get detailed directions to the bar.
Posted 9/10/07 ..... Finally !!!!! At the 11th hour
(literally)!!! The
nightmare is "almost" over.
The 47th team was added at 11:30 tonight (I do still need
one more team to fill division #6).
The team that has the "bye" in that division
this week is the team that called to register on Friday
night with 2 teams and when I called to verify on Sunday
they really only had one. Well at least that problem was
offset by another team that had registered 1 team but
really had 2 and forgot to tell me. The above only
scratches the surface of what goes on during the
registration process (if you can call it a process).
I am hoping to get another team to fill the
"bye" spot so if anyone knows of a team (or some
players wanting to form a team), please let me know.
Enough of my rambling.....Schedules are
posted (click the link on the left).
If you do view your schedule here, please send me an
e-mail to let me know and save me (and/or Laura) the phone
call.
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